My brother is a junior in college, at the age when passion naturally flows into debates about which band is the greatest ever, speculations on eschatology, and the like. He's a connoisseur of contemporary music, and puts Radiohead at the top of the pile. I have been since adolescence and remain today a dmb votary, so when he baited me by asserting that Radiohead is the better band, I bit. I asked, "Who's going to be remembered a generation from now?"
His arguments for Radiohead: The songwriting is cohesive and credited to all five members (dmb's is mostly to the band's eponymous lead singer), band membership has been stable for three decades (dmb saxophonist Leroi Moore died in '08 and there have been both previous and subsequent member acquisitions and resignations), the band is album-focused and albums are what last through the years (roughly half of dmb's song library has never been recorded in studio), they show up on many contemporary lists of greatest active bands (dmb never does), they've pushed the envelope musically more than just about any other major act has over the last couple of decades, and they don't make anything of suboptimal quality (dmb has Stand Up).
Mine: The top grossing and ticket selling musical act of the 2000s. Beat Kenny Chesney, Bruce Springsteen, the Rolling Stones, Celine Dion, Madonna, Elton John, the Eagles, Jimmy Buffet, and anyone else you can think of (no Radiohead here--this is the majors, not the farm league). If that's not enough, they've had the most consecutive #1 Billboard album debuts in the chart's history, ahead of the likes of Metallica, Eminem, Madonna, and U2. They've got Radiohead on the diversity front--four black guys (including Rashawn Ross) and a native African beats a bunch of white guys from England. They've got them on musical diversity as well--mainstreaming the fiddle, horns, saxophones, and soul vocals isn't an easy task. Dmb's appeal is wider--women listen (they don't really to Radiohead) and the age range is wider. When it comes to improvisation, there's really no contest:
Another factor, however, that suggests posterity might favor Radiohead is that music critics adore them while having never embraced dmb (Jim DeRogatis' 1998 review in Rolling Stone magazine epitomizing this) for a host of speculative reasons: The band's diversity integrates in the wrong direction--it features black guys doing 'white' things (playing instruments but not singing) and draws overwhelmingly white crowds who are, contrary to uninterested conventional belief (that pegs them as hippies), primarily frat boy yuppie types who grew into accountants and financial advisers; Dave's voice is an acquired taste; the music isn't tight enough to fit the three-minute-ditty template and, at least from afar, the atmosphere feels too much like the one the Grateful Dead inhabited a generation before; and the focus is on making stuff that is euphonious rather than novel, experimental, or danceable.
Since I've lost all but those who happen to share my enjoyment of dmb, a suggestion for a group that rumor and speculation suggest might be on another precipice--bring to studio the golden stuff that has never found its way into the studio (loosely including RTT). How about this for a prospective album (produced by Lillywhite, without negotiability)?
Granny (opening lines are perfect to open an album)
Crazy-Easy
Idea of You
Break Free
JTR
Sweet Up and Down
Sugar Will
Kind Intentions
#40 (the first nine being something of a story of the initial meetup that turned into a lifelong relationship)
Spotlight
Toy Soldiers (these two because they're poetically great)
Blue Water Baboon Farm (fits the same mold as Bartender, Spoon, Proudest Monkey, and Drunken Soldier as album sendoffs)
11 comments:
This analogy should make you both happy -- dmb : Radiohead :: The Eagles or Jimmy Buffett : Pink Floyd or Rush.
As an old guy, the only Radiohead song I know is "Creep," which they often won't play in concert because it's too popular. If I had a cigarette lighter, it would be fun to hold it up while Radiohead came out for an encore and shout "Play 'Creep!'" It would probably drive them crazy about the quality of fans they are attracting.
I love Radiohead. Definitely one of my top five contemporary groups, and they've written some truly beautiful songs.
But I would never get excited to go to a Radiohead concert. Why am I going to pay fifty bucks to hear rough, sloppy versions of great songs?
DMB on the other hand does not just adequately perform live... Luther College is my favourite DM/DMB release of all time. Central Park is up there as well. DMB is simply one of the only acts out there that is frequently better live than in the studio.
That's why I've been to and had an incredible time at 10+ DMB concerts, but generally would rather listen to other music on my own than in a jammed concert hall with bad sound quality and sloppy performance.
When you go to a live DMB concert, you see something different and maybe even better than what you get on the studio albums.
As for who will be more remembered... If I were a chin-on-hand Gladwell-clone, modern journalist, I might try and write a 10k word article on how file sharing has reduced the importance of studio releases in favour of the ability to create a good live experience.
Now if you'll excuse me I'm going to set up a youtube playlist of the aol solo sessions.
Cheers,
Frost
I think the best way to decide who is better is based on the number of HBD-themed blogs there are named after the bands' songs/lyrics. Using this metric, Radiohead comes out on top, although if you'd measured seven years ago or so it would probably be DMB instead.
Anon,
Wow, nailed it (and us, personally) with the first set of the analogy.
Steve,
You think they'd scoff at a more diverse fan base? Granted, generational diversity doesn't count for much. Come to think of it, being a middle-aged white guy (like the members of Radiohead), you're anti-diversity, even if your absence makes the crowd less diverse. Funny how that works.
Frost,
Beautiful man, beautiful. You essentially anticipated and summarized the truce my brother and I drew.
L@LC: The warehouse intro is my pre-game favorite.
If by chance you make it to the Gorge or Alpine (sort of close to you if you'll be on this side of the Atlantic) this summer, I insist on a meetup.
Jokah,
Heh, seriously? List some, please, I've got nothing.
Good lord, DMB is the most boring live band ever. I never liked DMB because I found their cult-like following indicative of personality devoid youth trying to establish an identity. Despite this, once during a summer in college I was invited to see them for free at Alpine Valley in WI and though under the influence of multiple inebriants, I found their show quite mundane. Not only did they fail to demonstrate any particular skill in playing their instruments or construct an experience that was particularly invigorating, I found their lyrics uninspired and their composition structure typical.
I am quite aware many enjoy their music both out of nostalgia and general preference for their "jammy vibe," but they are pretty shoddy in my opinion. Perhaps I am just a hater and I am too biased because of my view of my local fan base during HS, but I can think of at least 25 bands that are better than DAAAAAAAAVE.
DMB is the most boring live band ever
That's hard to square with the most tickets sold of any live act in the US over the last decade. Personal preference, obviously, but not at all a representative one.
Is Crash any good? It's on Amazon right now for $2.99 (mp3).
I've got OK Computer and Kid A that I also bought for 2.99 on Amazon. I listened through OK Computer once on a plane, but I think I'd have to give it another listen or two to uncover it's slightly inaccessible genius - hopefully it doesn't require certain herbal supplements to do so, as I've long sworn off that.
I kind of like DM's solo album Some Devil, but I never could get into the Band - not because they're not a good band - clearly better talented players than typical rock bands - but it just never clicked.
I suppose it's possible that I'm just too old to really enjoy anything made after, oh, the early 90's, any more than my father could have possibly every enjoyed Who's Next.
Ziel,
Crash is one of the so-called "big three" (along with Under the table and dreaming and Before these crowded streets) that are generally considered to be the band's best albums. Give Two Step or #41 a listen on youtube and see what you think. That'll give you a good flavor to evaluate.
Thanks - I downloaded Crash and Under the Table - they were both 2.99 (I'm real cheap). Hopefully I'll find some time to listen.
Pop music leaves me mostly cold. I am partial to the music of people like Telemann, Bach, Mozart, etc. The only modern music I care for was composed by people like Alford, Sousa, and Teike, and their ilk.
Oh, and Holst.
There is nothing wrong with any rock band ever assembled which can't be fixed with a fire axe and a Thompson. (the former for the "instruments", the latter for the "musicians.")r
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